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TOP STORIESInterdealer brokers want redundant bankers22 July 2008COMMENTSAs for this site in general, unless someone posts their P60 on this board, take bonus quotes with a fistful of salt. Recruitment consultants will tell you anything to apply for a job; the editorial staff here buy it. Read all comments »There’s hope for the army of former bankers who are occupied with little more than topping up their tans: the likes of ICAP and Tradition are hiring.
In stark contrast to the pain inflicted on investment banking shareholders, ICAP’s shares rose nearly 20% last week after it predicted double digit revenue growth and said the interdealer broking (IDB) industry will “continue to display strong structural growth” of around 10% a year.
Tej Dhindsa, a broking specialist at recruitment firm Ingram Mayet, says interdealer brokers are particularly interested in hiring investment banking sales traders with a strong client base: “They’re looking for people who can bring in £1m a year in revenues.”
Damien Lee, managing director of IDB recruiters Search Partners, confirms the enthusiasm for ex-banking talent: “Good interdealer brokers are now locked in for three years, so we’ve been looking at people coming out of the likes of Bear Stearns and UBS instead.” ICAP hired three senior traders from Citigroup in February and is said to have hired from ABN recently. Recruiters say Tullett Prebon has hired out of Credit Suisse. Lee says the most popular ex-banking candidates are equity sales traders who’ve been working with hedge fund clients: “A guy who’s been speaking to 20 hedge fund clients will have a much greater chance of moving his clients across than a guy who’s been working with institutional accounts.” Earn £400k+ With discretionary investment banking bonuses on the wane, Lee says interdealer brokers’ commission-based compensation models are increasingly appealing.
"A typical interdealer broker will pay 30% to 50% of the revenues an individual brings in as a bonus," says Lee. "But some smaller firms will pay as much as 70% - particularly in equity derivatives." For bonus-calculation purposes, revenues are calculated on the basis of business brought in, minus an individual's salary and national insurance, travel and entertainment costs, and the cost of their Bloomberg or Reuters terminal. Once all these costs are deducted from revenues, a bonus of 50% of total revenues is likely to come in around the 43% mark. Bonuses are paid quarterly rather than annually.
The only downside to seeking refuge in an interdealer broking firm is that it’s likely to be even less tolerant of poor performance than investment banks are: “Banks will at least try to move you into another area. But brokers are ruthless – if you don’t perform you’re out,” Dhindsa says.
COMMENTSmargin!!!, Derivatives, Tue 22 Jul 08I work for an IDB firm, there is no way you would get 50% of the revenues you bring in, and i'm with the top 5.
dd, Student, Tue 22 Jul 08Hi, Rob, could you kindly explain us what is it like, the career perspective of a broker working in HK? Thanks Add your comment »Rosa, Accounting, Tue 22 Jul 08Hi John Smith,
Wall Street, Hedge Funds, Wed 23 Jul 08what is an interdealer broker? sounds a british thing. Add your comment »Rupert, Corporate Banking, Wed 23 Jul 08re Margin!!
Equity sales, Equities, Wed 23 Jul 08"A guy who has been speaking to 20 hedge fund clients" - are you mad or just inexperienced !! Add your comment »vega, Derivatives, Wed 23 Jul 0843% ???...after all the entertainment expenses (which amounts to bucket loads in IDB), i doubt bonusesare that high... Add your comment »annon, Hedge Funds, Wed 23 Jul 08Firstly, at IDB's increasingly the payout structure is giving way to discretionary bonus structures just like at I.Banking. Second, having worked for both types of companies IDB and I.banks I would chose I.Banks always. IDB's are run like private kingdoms where you never know where you stand, suffice to see the contracts they will make you sign which always include ridiculously long non-compete terms and financial penalties in case you chose to leave so in effect they hire you on the cheap and the contract prevents you from moving somewhere else when the going gets good. You have been warned. Add your comment »woodie, Thu 24 Jul 08How should I proceed? I've been trying to get into inter dealer broking for a while now with not much luck. Add your comment » |
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