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The associate intakes of 2006 and 2007 are being decimated, according to both bankers and the recruiters who are left to pick up the pieces. So what does an MBA with big debts and only one year’s banking experience do? Private equity, boutiques, or strategy consulting seem to be the answer.

“Most of the people who’ve gone from the team are MBAs who joined at the junior associate level,” says a VP at one US bank. “Unfortunately, it just makes sense to get rid of them – they have a limited amount of banking experience and they’re relatively expensive. They’re getting hit particularly hard.”

Recruiters confirm that a disproportionate number of recent MBAs are coming through their doors. “We’re getting a lot of MBAs coming to us,” says Katherine Howe at recruitment firm KHG Partners. “They’re either last year’s banking intake, or the intake of summer 2006.”

Faced with the choice of dumping a recently hired MBA or an analyst who’s been nurtured at a bank for several years, Logan Naidu of recruiters The Cornell Partnership, says banks are typically going for the former option. “MBAs are as expensive as third-year analysts, but analysts have spent three years with the firm and know how a deal is put together.”

Business schools are a brake on the MBA purge, however. If too many of their alumni are ejected, banks get a bad reputation on campus at the major business schools, which they are anxious to avoid, says Howe: “If you hire a load of MBAs from a top business school and treat them all appallingly, that school might be less inclined to allow you to recruit on campus in the future.”

As a result, she says some banks are now letting go of high performing third-year analysts rather than reneging on offers made to MBAs who are joining this year.

MBAs who are dumped by banks do have other options. “The alternatives are boutiques, private equity, corporates, or strategy consulting, depending on experience and background,” says Naidu.

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V for Vendetta, Debt / Fixed Income,  Tue 15 Jul 08

thanks amod, that was so informative and helpful. The only thing your post told us is that you have no friends to discuss work with and so you post random comments online to engage in unrelated gossip.

anyhow, like a lot of further education i think MBAs are a personal choice and don't necessarily lead to substantially better career prospects. from my understanding, MBAs provide educational networking opportunities.

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Ivy League MBA and Loving It, Hedge Funds,  Tue 15 Jul 08

Hi all MBA haters!  As a current MBA interning the summer in banking.  Don't you hate the fact that I can still choose to leave banking and go find an equally stimulating six figure job elsewhere? 

You guys may have earned six figures, but that was because you were riding a bull market..  Now wouldn't you wish to have an Ivy League degree for the next time you are called to a "meeting" with HR?

I guess I should feel sorry for you, so all the best.

PD:  MBA's are not better technically, we are paid more because we have wider vision and more drive than most.  You can have the same characteristics without having an MBA; but the MBA brands you.  It's like selling a Porsche Cayenne vs. a Great Wall SUV. 

And sorry to break it to you, but statistically, it is very proven that in the long-run MBA's do outperform... 2 years is nothing in a 45 year career, I would think the current markets would have made that clear.  Try getting on a board without a top 20 MBA behind your name.

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Ignacio Alvarez, Risk Management,  Tue 15 Jul 08

As always there is always people bashing MBAs. It is also supprising to see how SUV owners are also bashed. Maybe there is high correlation between having and MBA and owning an SUV,  and the big bucks associated with both things. The poor dogs without these can't help but bark. Love to get into these articles to see how this always happens.

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Raul, Capital Markets,  Wed 16 Jul 08

You guys make some really useful and insightful comments.  Now run along and go listen to Uncle Keith "angry man" Olberman and post some screeds on the Daily Kos as the quality of thought there would equal the "my MBA smelled bad" and other well reasoned musings.

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danny, Research,  Wed 16 Jul 08

some people do MBA just because they couldn't find jobs

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bert, Asset Management,  Wed 16 Jul 08

MBA's are not necesarily the best adapted training for a financial positions such as analyst or portfolio manager. MBA is a business school not a financial training. I believe these two have been mixed up in the recent past where to many MBA's of HARVARD for instance were hired in the hedge fund arena. Clients discover those people are excellent business men, but rather make money for themselves than for a client.
On the other hand studies like a CFA's or other economic and financial studies don't get the credit they deserve because they may not be reserved for an social elite but just need hard working to obtain and therefore create a selection by drive and motivation.
We now may be returning to normal, which probably is a natural evolution.

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TRADER CS, Derivatives,  Wed 16 Jul 08

The best program option for Finance and banking is the MIF (Masters in Finance) at LBS... you can either do it in one full time year, or the best in two years but without leaving your job.... It´s fully focused on investment banking and forms strong finance professionals... people half way through are receivieng VP offers this year at top banks in the city....in my opinion the best option.

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MBA, Investment Banking / M & A,  Wed 16 Jul 08

to the bloke who said mediocre but arrogant. I know who you are and you are one of the most mediocre people I have met in my life and you should have been kicked out of where we met ages ago.
don't pretend to be amongst the finance community, you are a busy driver and we both know it

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Terry Tooley, Investment Banking / M & A,  Wed 16 Jul 08

Can I just say as someone coming to the end of a doctorate and wanting to get into Finance I am feeling increasingly the UK sector is getting shafted. Adopt the UK plan on fixed petrol prices at the pump before its too late Brown you absolute erse!

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saurya_s,  Wed 16 Jul 08

I think MBA only pays in the long run and indeed it is true the non MBA analyst or others do make more money than MBA just becuase of their experience. Also worth noticing is the fact that many people do MBA to change function, sector, geography, career etc.

CFA is indeed a great program but it lacks the practical expertise of B school. Surely, it suits well to a working guys who has hands on experience and want  to reinforce his theoretical basis.

MBA with specialization in Finance is quite rigorous but I would doubt it will has the rigour of CFA particularly in the context of Financial Statment analysis.

Just my thoughts.

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